Sunday, February 17, 2008

The Great Simon Debate

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UPDATE: Trent Hunter signs 5 year extension.

The deal is worth approximately $10 million.
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There has been much debate in the hockey world as to whether enforcer Chris Simon should be given a third chance to prolong his career with the New York Islanders. With Simon’s most recent suspension about to expire, and with Isles’ coach Ted Nolan undoubted allegiance, it appears the Isles are ready to welcome Simon back whole-heartedly.

The New York Islanders team website has been promoting this return as some sort of a season-altering event—one that could help turn the Isles around and into a playoff contender. But I view this inevitable return as a franchise-altering event—one that clearly highlights the organizational shortsightedness and the main glaring detriment to Ted Nolan’s coaching career.

For those who have been living in a cave, I will provide you with a recap of Chris Simon’s recent altercations. The time was March 2007, and the Isles were fighting for their playoff lives. A game against the New York Rangers, with whom the Isles were competing with for a playoff spot, was to have a huge impact on the outcome on both teams’ seasons. The Isles had played a strong game, and the score was tied at 1 with about 5 minutes remaining in regulation. Then, after being cleanly checked by Ryan Hollweg, Chris Simon took his stick, and in lumberjack fashion, chopped Hollweg across the face. It was one of the most gruesome attacks in NHL history and it got Simon a record high 25 game suspension. More importantly, it put the Rangers on a 5-minute major power play, one that they ultimately scored on en route to victory. A chance at two hard-earned points ruined by one man’s ill-timed decision to take out his anger in an extraordinary vicious manner.

While many thought that was the end of Chris Simon’s NHL career (in part due to this altercation, but also due to his inability to compete in today’s quicker NHL), Ted Nolan went to the powers that be and requested that Simon be given another chance. He advocated how Simon had learned from his previous mistakes, how Simon was extremely sorry, and how playing hockey meant the world to Simon. Garth Snow and Charles Wang bought this pile of horse manure, and Simon was resigned and eligible to return this season after he finished his suspension from last season.

This season, Simon made his return, and it was very evident that he was far worse off (hockey-wise) than he was last year. He was slower than before and behind on every play. He wasn’t chipping in his usual goal and he certainly wasn’t providing the Isles with any toughness. Yet somehow, he was receiving time on the Isles’ PP. It began to make me wonder whether Simon actually deserved this second chance. He seemed better tempered and less angry, so I believed Nolan when he said we wouldn’t have to worry about another on-ice violent outburst. But Simon was a liability on the ice—his game consisted of constant turnovers and a weak fore-check. This is what first led me to question whether Nolan’s loyalty to Simon was beginning to prevent the former from seeing what was actually transpiring on the ice.

Then Simon’s career took another unfortunate spin. In another close game, and again at the end of the third period, Chris Simon again lost control of his anger and it cost the Isles another game. This time the Isles were trying to stage a 3rd period comeback against divisional rival Penguins, and with the Isles down by 1, Simon attempted to stomp on Jarko Ruutu, using his skate blade as a weapon. The Isles again were forced to kill off a major and again lost the game. Simon received a new record 30-game suspension (breaking his own record from last March), but more importantly proved to me that he hadn’t changed—that he simply might not be capable of changing. Less than 20 games since his last violent outburst, Simon comes back with an even more gruesome attempt to injure another player.

Some can overlook the fact that Simon obviously cannot control his anger and is prone to violent outbursts that put other players in constant danger. They will say violence is a part of the game. (Although I highly doubt the type of violence Simon inflicts is a part of hockey). But can those of you also overlook the fact that Simon is not a team-first guy, but instead a me-first player? Simon has twice received 5-minute major penalties in the last 5 minutes of competitive divisional games, while costing his team both contests. I’ve seen Ted Nolan bench players for taking poorly timed hooking penalties in the first period. I’ve seen Nolan bench players for a 5 game stint after a giveaway during a blowout game. But when it comes to Simon, apparently the usual rules don’t apply.

I’m not sure how a coach can justify having this guy out on the rink, with so few games to play, where every point from here on out matters. The two-points lost against the Rangers last season should have cost the Isles their season as the Isles only squeaked in due to Montreal and Toronto collapsing down the stretch. And if nothing else shows that Ted Nolan plays favorites, this blind loyalty to Simon certainly proves that Nolan will go out on a limb for some, while will leave others to drown on their own.

Simon could have severely injured two different players in less than a year (where only poor aim prevented this). He has put himself above the team and his antics should not be allowed to reenter the Isles locker room. Simon has disgraced the Isles' franchise, by being given a second chance and repaying them with an even more horrifying incident. But it is the Isles who will be disgracing themselves if Simon does don an Isles’ uniform again. It leads me to question the judgment of Nolan, Snow, and Wang, who are the only ones who had enough information to decide if Simon was indeed cured and ready to return this season. Turns out they were wrong once, and I’m pretty sure they'll be wrong again.

Remember that old saying..."fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me." The saying stopped there, because nobody has ever been foolish enough to let someone fool them THREE times.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

I do not want him back in any way, shape or form. This team has a hard enough road to hoe, without the media circus that will follow him around the league.

Aside from all the nonsense he has pulled over the years, I just do not want to se him take a roster spot away from one of the young players. It is their time , now.

Simon's time has past. Let him go.....Bill

Nyisles82 said...

Great post Justin- can you send that to Snolang? It's so sad. Everyone has made accurate points already- and Bill sums it all up. His violent on-ice transgressions aside, why does Chris Simon deserve a roster spot over one of our young guys?

I'd hate to be in the locker room when Nielsen, Tamby, or Comeau receive the news to clean out their locker for Chris Simon. I would be a lot of money those three guys each chip in more goals/assists than Simon will the rest of this year. Shouldn't hockey productivity trump all personal relationships? Forget bad coaching, thats just bad business, and in any other organization would get you fired.

Candyman said...

Bill & Nyisles,

Exactly. Simon returning had 2 major problems...

1. He's a disgrace and a liar and a selfish clown, and why would any team want a player like this?

2. The Isles are on a good streak, their younger players are coming along nicely, so why give this guy one of their spots?

The answer to both questions is simple--and it's my main problem with Nolan: The man plays favorites. And in this case, it's an extreme example.

Not benching Comrie or Hunter is minor when compared to the favoring that's going on with Nolan/Simon here.

And like BIll said, why would Nolan want to disrupt the locker room now?

And like Nyisles said, it's just bad business. I know allowing Simon to return is what's best for Simon. But the question should be what's best for the New York Islanders?

Not Simon.

Nyisles82 said...

As an aside, the Flyers are now winless in their last 7. Devs & Pens are so-so (winning, but still showing vulnerabilities), while the Rangers & Isles have been playing well in their last couple. Doors are open, and an extended win streak (which unfortunately would come after a long losing streak) could make life very interesting in Islander country.

Of the current playoff teams, the only ones I'm truly scared of are Ottawa (obviously) and Montreal, who we match up horribly against.

With 3 straight wins, the Isles are tied for the league's longest current win streak. What a crazy year!

Danny H said...

or as bush said..."fool me once...ehhh shame on...me, fool me twice...ehhh…a fooled man can't be fooled again (smiling like an idiot)." I honestly think there’s no possible way Simon can help the team out. Aside from him being a liability, we're talking about a player who hasn't had a 30 point season since 2001. He's of no use to the organization and the only foreseeable results of reinstating him are ones detrimental to the Islanders and their uphill challenge of securing a playoff spot. What’s more, by letting him back in the locker room you’re inevitably disrupting what little chemistry the team already has, not mention you’re also teaching kids that it’s ok to throw tantrums on the ice and put other competitors’ well beings at serious risk.

Danny H said...

by the way buch, you’re the man...this is a piece of literary genius...

Anonymous said...

DannyH, This is a hockey site. Keep you political comments to yourself. When you have a legitimate hockey related point to make, then make it. This blog has remained free from the morons who used to post on Logans blog. Let's keep it that way. Better to be thought a fool by staying silent than opening one's mouth and proving it...........Bill

Candyman said...

Hahaha I had to read that twice before I understood wat you were talking about Bill...danny is a close friend of mine he was callin me buch (mispelled bush in his first post)...a childhood nickname...he wasn't referring to El Presidente...

Anonymous said...

OK, my apologies then. The great thing about this blog is the lack of non hockey related nonsense. I would like to keep it that way...........Bill

Anonymous said...

After watching todays game I am convinced that Comrie is hiding a should or wrist injury. On the 5-3 PP he passed up several chances to shoot the puck and the one time that he did shoot it was a week effort. He looks like he does not have the strength to shoot with any authority.

It would explain a lot of those sillt toe drag moves. Even on the goal he scored, it was more like an off speed pitch than a fastball.

So, my conclusion is that he will not be traded at the deadline because he would fail any teams physical.

Strange effort today, but a win is a win. I'll take it.

Another odd thing, is that the Isles best line for the last five games has been Hunter-Vas-Tank yet I don't recall seeing them on the horrible 5-3 PP in the first period.

Did anyone else catch the look that Guerin gave MAB when they went offsides at the beginning of the 5-3 PP. MAB gave it right back.
Doesn't seem to be any love lost between those two.......Bill

Nyisles82 said...

"Did anyone else catch the look that Guerin gave MAB when they went offsides at the beginning of the 5-3 PP."

Yup, I caught that. It happened last game as well. Guerin does not look happy with MAB- but maybe that's helping both parties. Lighting a fire under MAB's butt last season by getting traded turned out great for us, and maybe the same is happening right now.

Great game by Bergy & Nielsen....again. Nielsen won 5/6 faceoffs, and V-cek won 12/19. So Sillinger's biggest asset has effectively been replaced by a younger, faster playmaker & goal-scorer. Hmmm...


I hope hope hope hope Comeau is ok (tsn.ca says he's fine), and the same for Sutts. Big guy went down like a sack of potatoes! Hope its just a cramp, but it looked scary, and tsn reports a hamstring injury. I remember watching Chara fall though..the bigger they are, the worse their falls seem to be.

The Sharks remind me a lot of our own team- when we play our game. Tight tight defense, with a strong forecheck, and a goalie who can steal a game (and who refuses to admit he's rattled/injured/tired etc etc). Good win over a solid team, and hopefully another step in the right direction for the team. More youth, more speed, more passion = more winning. Does Nolan see that?

Nyisles82 said...

In addition to Bill's observation about Comrie's curious on-ice decisions, he won only 3/18 faceoffs, providing further support for the injury speculation.

Candyman said...

Comrie must be hurt, I think that is something we've suspected on here for quite some time. Bill that's an excellent point regarding the possibility of trading Comrie. It could mean we are stuck with him for now.

Regarding the Guerin/MAB incident, it was MAB who first gave a glaring look at Guerin, b/c Guerin was way ahead of the play and put the 5-3 PP offsides by 10 feet. Guerin looked back at him as if to say don't go there with me.

I side with MAB on this one. Guerin looks out of sync with the rest of the PP. He appears to remain stationary waiting for a chance to shoot, with out doing the little things necesary on a 5-3, like moving without the puck and creating havoc in front of the net.

I'm still not sure what Comeau is doing on the line with Tambs and Nielson. Seems like we are wasting Comeau there. Comeau should skate with Guerin/Comrie, and Hilbert should skate with Tamb/Nielson.

The 5-3 was pitiful. Do they not work on this in practice? 5-3 for a full two minutes with out a shot? Sad.

They Isles were lucky to come back today. If not for Martinek's blast knocking the boop out of Nabokov, we probably lose this game easily.

Candyman said...

Sutton out, Fata in.

Garth pleaseeeeeeeee don't lose site of the bigger picture. Don't let this recent surge fool you. The Isles are in dire need of a fire sale.

Anonymous said...

Several sites are reporting that McCabe may be headed to the Island.
I guess with Sutton gone down that it may make some sense. Snow has plenty of cap room and I don't see him giving up anything of value to get McCabe. This would be strictly a salary dump. I say go for it.

The idea that Sutton can come back in 4-6 weeks from a hamstring tear is laughable. It takes months to come back from that. You won't see Sutton till next season, so we do need someone to step in. McCabe is about as good as Sutton and has the added bonus of a real PP slapshot. Maybe we can ship them Simon in return. Jump on it, Garth.......Bill

Andyman Norway said...

If we just forget about how silly Nolan is by letting Simon back on the ice in an Islander uniform. How can the Isles benefit from his return? Say he comes back, don't hack other players in the face and draws major penalties and in addtition to that deliveres a sound game. Wouldn't Simon just be the most intimidating enforcer in the NHL? Think about it, with his reputation as a loose canon - I wouldn't voluntarily engage in a board discussion with that man. If there's anything positive about his return, this might be it.

About Comrie. I say again. Sign him cheap (hasn't impressed to many this season), build top six depth at the center position this summer and then see Comrie raise his point total to 75 next season.
Trade Satan or Fedotenko instead. There's redudancy at the wing position, not at center.

Candyman said...

BIll,

I would pull the trigger on McCabe...what do you think would get it done?

Andyman,

Fair point, it might keep opponents away from our players in fear of being seriously injured. Strange, but effective logic.

And depending on what we could get for Comrie, I would have to wait and see. It would be hard to resist a 1st/2nd rounder for someone we can have for free come July 1st.

Nyisles82 said...

Haha thats amazing rationale andyman! Love it.

HockeyBuzz reports Toronto might have to send off a prospect in addition to McCabe to move him. That makes a lot of sense, especially consider that the leafs WILL have a fire sale, and probably get a ton of picks/prospects in return...hanging one on the McCabe trade would be easy.

Can't you see it?? McCabe & Berard bluelining it on our PP! Just like 1998, when gas cost .95, Clinton had just met Ms. Lewinsky, and Milbury was looking like the good guy in comparison to all the owners we had thinking about cashing in on the Islander name. Ugh, it pains me to think about it. Actually, all of that pains me to think about...

Candyman said...

I'd rather reacquire the players we gave away in the early 2000s.

Anonymous said...

Justin, I am thinking that either Ben Walter and a late round pick or the second rounder we got from Boston for Noke may get it done. It appears the Isles have no plans for Walter anyway. As for picks, my feeling has alway been that if you are not getting a franchise player, then it's just a crap shoot.

Snow has money so let him spend it. McCabe would also help next year when Berard and MAB will probably be history. He is a very good PP man and let's face it we are lacking that.

How great was that Ranger game tonight?.........Bill

Candyman said...

Blowing a 5-0 lead...wow...Rags going into their classic shell after getting an early lead...hasn't worked for the past 10 years...

I'm really getting nervous that Snow sees this recent surge as a reason to not continue with the fire sale...the Isles have lost 4 out of their top-5 dmen...he needs to trade the UFAs...we still should have a shot at 8th...

shinkdew said...

I'd take McCabe for the 2nd round pick we're getting from Boston. I don't think they'll trade Walter due to their lack of depth at center.

I don't think they should break up the kid line. I think they've played very well the last two games. There really isn't any reason to fool around with the lines. I don't think Simon should be playing, but with the abuse Comeau has taken, something has to be done. Whether it be Simon or Jackman they need some kind of fighter in the line up. Like Jaffe said in Atlanta, they knew Sutton wasn't going to fight anyone, so it was pretty much open season. That was pretty classless of Waddell to try to put out Boulton and Popovic for the last minute of the game.

According to Scott Morrison of the CBC, who is at the GM meetings, the Islanders are trying to move Comrie and Satan.

Anonymous said...

Chris Simon will return. Interview with Nolan between periods of the Caps/Isles game said that teams "have been taking liberties" and that they need the toughness.

Scratch will probably come from the 'kid' line.

jerry

Candyman said...

I'm speechless.

I thought Drew Fata looked fine. Nolan needs to split up MAB and Berard, especially in OT. That could have easily cost the Isles the game.

How did Kolzig not anticipate a weak lil shot by Comrie? Good move though.

Looks like Simon is coming back...thanks for the update Jerry. It will probably be Tambellini, being that Neilson is a center, but you never know.

DP better be between the pipes tomorrow.

I would still trade Comrie, Satan, and Tank while their value is as high as it is--if we can get 1st/2nd rounders. Anything less and I'd rather keep them.

The Isles certainly have made these next 5 days quite interesting.

Candyman said...

Did you know...

Isles currently have the 2nd best PK in the East....

But also have the 2nd worst PP in the East.

Nyisles82 said...

Missed the game last night cause it was on NHL network down here. Sounded like an exciting game at least!

Anyone have thoughts on DP over this stretch? When was the last time we saw Doobie out there? I always have to wonder with DP- does he thrive on the work, a la Brodeur & Nabokov, or should he be getting rest to stay sharp?

I'd prefer the former for the short term- obviously the guy steals games for us. But he's with us for 15 years- I'd like to see him continue to improve and stay healthy throughout the contract.

Comrie has really started to win me over. I somewhat remember a conversation here in the beginning of the season about him being somewhat selfish and not a team player...and the first few months of the season supported that. He always looked to make highlight reel plays, and seemed to revel having the puck so much that it hurt the team. But in the last weeks, he's become a better and more decisive passer, and just seems to enjoy the team more.

If he's traded, I really hope he's offered a good deal by Snowy before he says goodbye. I actually can see him wanting to play with the NYI- he's been disrespected everywhere he's been, and seems to finally have an organization that likes him and fans that respect him. If traded, I'd like to see him get some additional playoff experience (like last year's Sens), and then come back to us to play first/second line minutes.

I'm excited for tonight- another Tampa/Isles game means I get to watch our boys in HD!

Anonymous said...

Back to Simon rejoining tonight - this is nothing more than blind loyality, bordering on rascism imho,showing preferential treatment to a First Nation member. Simon has no place on this team, especially now.

Nyisles82 said...

River,

Though your point is well taken, racism is not the best word choice here.

Racism typically concerns negative attitudes about another race, while discrimation can be described as acting on these negative beliefs against said group.

Nolan's 'preferential treatment' for Simon would better be described as 'in group bias'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup_bias)

There is NO evidence that Nolan thinks FN individuals are better than other races (and thus deserve more chances/playing time etc etc), and therefore one can't really describe it as racism.

He is only engaging in preferential treatment of his in-group , and nothing more. His actions are supportive of his own ethnic circle, and not intended to harm another "out-group".

Sorry, I'm a psychologist- these things are important to me- racism, prejudice, and discrimination are extremely powerful words with big implications on groups/individuals, and should be used correctly.

shinkdew said...

If it's not Simon, than who? Brennan is suspended for 15 games and I don't think Jackman scares anyone. They can't have Guerin, Comrie and Berard fighting, maybe Berard, it would keep him off the ice. Tambellini will probably be the odd man out. Neilsen has out played him the last few games. Whoever it is will probably be back on Tuesday.

Scott Morrison reported in his blog that Snow has had discussions with Comrie about a new deal. He also said Snow is hoping to get a first round pick for Satan, but most GMs around the league think that is too high a price.

Anonymous said...

As to Simon, I think the correct term may be "favoritism" which is something that Nolan has demonstrated over his stay here.

Nolan has always had his favorites who can do no wrong, while those within the circle are punished for any and all infractions.

This is one of the big problems that I have with Nolan as a coach.
Instead of doing what is best for the team, he plays favorites.

Not the sign of a great coach.....Bill

Anonymous said...

Sould read:

Nolan has always had his favorites who can do no wrong, while those NOT within the circle are punished for any and all infractions.

Candyman said...

Our dreams have come true. Tambellini is out, Simon is in.

Nyisles82 said...

All right!!! 6 in a row!

Too bad we sat a guy who scored recently for someone who played 6:17, basically was invisible, and forces our 4th line to take less minutes because he's such a liability. Now Nolan has a good reason to play Nielsen & Comeau less- you know, since they didn't score in their 6 minutes of ice time playing with Chris Simon.

DP played solidly, and Bergy really stood out again tonight. There was a strong team-first defense tonight, and it really shut down the big 3. Meyer is a pleasant surprise, and Fata once again fit in well (read: didn't notice him make any mistakes). I thought Karri Ramo played a great game tonight, and kept it very interesting.

Hopefully watching Brad Richards helps Snowlang decide he's so not worth 7.8 million. Please, do NOT trade for him.

Anonymous said...

Back on Feb. 12 a noted contributer to this site wrote

"Looking at the Isles schedule over the next few games only San Jose is what I would consider a tough game. Toronto, Atlanta, Washington and NJ are all very beatable.

Don't be surprised to see the Isles wiin 5 of the next 6 and jump back into the playoff picture.

If DP plays like he is capable of playing, he could steal a few games
over the next stretch.

The kids will start to click and score a bit.

Don't be surprised.......Bill"


Ahem. I will let that speak for itself.....Bill

Nyisles82 said...

Bill- I was thinking about digging that quote up last night as well! Great prediction. We'll see about NJ- Brodeur is playing out of his mind again, so that will be a tough game. But then again, as we all know, DP loves to face him down, and will stand on his head to win. Should be fun to watch.

I have a feeling if we make the playoffs, we're going to be playing NJ in the first round. We match up well against them, and it could be an exciting series.

When are these trades going to start falling?

Anonymous said...

Let me clarify what I meant by "rascism". I think it is a form of "rascism" when a person of one ethnic group selects another lesser deserving/qualified/talented member of the same ethnic group OVER someone from a different ethnic group who has earned that position (Tambellini. That being said, the goal posts are loving the Islanders lately!

Nyisles82 said...

The more I think about this Simon situation, the more upset I become.

As most of you guys know, I'm the "eternal optimist", and I'm always looking for positive things to dwell on. But this is too much.

The most recent enraging thought I've had, after last night's game, is that Simon's fists are not going to help this team. Think about it; the man just came back from 2 very public suspensions for very egregious, very horrifying, very memorable physical attacks on other players. If I'm playing for another team, I'm going to do my best to see if I can't evoke another one of these outbursts- taking a run at a top player; picking on someone not my size etc etc. Just to see if Simon cracks, slashes me, gets a 5 min. major, and we win the game.

Worse, is how can Simon react to something like that? He's clearly being brought back to enforce- yet by enforcing he's only furthering his negative perception with fans. If he does fight, I'd bet he hears boos from fans who will only be reminded about how he loves to slash and stomp. How is that effective enforcing? Enforcing/fighting is meant to bring about a psychological edge for a team. "If you pick on my star player, you're gonna get punched by this goon sitting on our bench, OK?" Well if that goon gets negative reinforcement from fans for doing that, there goes that edge. All of a sudden, by enforcing, Simon will actually hurt this team.

Think about what fights do for the other guys on the ice. It puts that "killer instinct" into the entire team- getting their adrenaline going hard. But if that fighter gets booed by home fans, I can't see the rest of the guys on the ice feeling the same way. It's humiliating to get booed by your own fans, especially for something not-hockey related (fighting).

Get rid of Simon. Please.

Candyman said...

Nyisles,

While I obviously agree with your conclusion, I'm not so sure I agree with how you came to it. I don't think a member of the opposing team would ever take a run at one of our players etc in order to evoke another violent outburst (and get themselves a 5 min PP). I don't think any player would risk the health and safety of his teammate over a regular season game. And I don't think you will see that kind of reaction out of Simon.

Your other points are well taken though. Fighting is supposed to give you a psychological edge, but Simon hardly resembles a man who is going to be dropping his gloves anytime soon. I was one of the many fans booing Simon last night. I'm glad they heard it (Ted Nolan remarked about it after the game).

River alph,

I'm with you as well. Call it what you will, "racism" or whatever the right terminology might be, but it's apparent that if Simon was not of the same ancestry as Nolan then the former wouldn't have been given this third shot. I've also heard an idea floating around that there would be consequences for Nolan back home if he did not go to bat for Simon. I have to do some research on this.

Anonymous said...

As much as I did not want Simon back, I don't see the great Indian(OOOH did I say Indian, not First Nation?) conspiracy. Let's not forget that the owner is Asian and the GM is a Caucasian. Either one or both could have easily blocked Simon from returning.

Simon and Nolan go way back to Juniors together. My belief is that it has way more to do with their history together, than their common heritage.

If Nolan was so concerned with so called "First Nation" players, then
Aaron Asham would still be wearing an Islander uniform.

Simon and Nolan are friends and Nolan has allowed that friendship to cloud his judgement. It's as simple as that.....Bill

Candyman said...

Bill,

It's not so much that Wang and Snow approved it...they did so on Nolan's word. Could Nolan be facing some kind of retribution at home if he did not go to bat for Simon?

I know they are friends, but Simon already made Nolan look like a fool. Maybe Nolan and company are just a bunch of suckers.

Oh, and did I mention that Simon was horrible last night.

What about the Isles trading for Peca to replace Sily's faceoff expertise and defense (although it was usually a lack thereof).

Jackets last 10 games, they were 2-8, meanwhile Peca had 8 pts and was a +4. Thoughts?

Candyman said...

Trent Hunter has reportedly just signed a 5 year $10 million extension. Details to follow later tonight.

shinkdew said...

$2m is about right for Hunter. I don't really like the five years though.

Anonymous said...

No to Peca and YES to Hunter.

I said all along that Hunter would sign here. I know he has his detractors here, but he bring so much to the game besides scoring goals. When Guerrin moves out, Hunter will be named Captain.

Man, I am on a roll. All of my predictions are coming true. I still think that McCabe will be headed to the Isles. All of the signs are there.

As for Peca...well, you can't go home again. What do you do when Sillinger returns? We Have enough "Peca/Sillinger" type players already. Peca will just take up another roster spot that Neilsen or Comeau deserve.

Unless of course they trade Peca for Simon........Bill

shinkdew said...

I think they should move Sillinger to anyone who takes him. Have the shutdown line be Sim-Vasicek-Hunter next season.

Nyisles82 said...

Shink...that's a good looking line. I'd feel comfortable putting them out against anyone really.

Any predictions on Vasicek? He should be up next- I'd like to see him resigned as well. I mentioned it before- we could keep him cheap, and being 27/28, still has a decent chance of developing into someone who can score. If we extend him cheaply, I'm fine with him winning faceoffs and playing strong d.

Candyman said...

Silinger done for the year? Bill, you still feel the same way about Peca

Candyman said...

Very interesting to see what will happen before Tuesday's deadline. Players who could have very well played their last game in an Isles' uniform include Comrie, Tank, Vasicek, and Satan. I would say Vasicek and Comrie stay, where Tank and Satan could be on their way out. Satan had a NTC, so he will be harder to move, though I doubt he would balk at the opp to win a Cup.

I would make low end deals to generate interest for the rest of the season. I would trade Tank for a pick and include that pick in a deal for McCabe. I would offer something for Peca as well. The days of Peca's captaincy serve as some of the best memories for young Isles fans.

Anonymous said...

Still think that I would rather see Neilsen than Peca. Peca is fragile and injury prone. As I said before only if you can trade Simon for him............Bill

Candyman said...

You would still have Nielson...currently, the Isles are putting forth a lineup with only 3 centers (Comrie, Vasicek, and Nielson)...

By adding Peca, we could add a much needed center to our lineup (Isles were crushed yesterday in the faceoff circle winning only 19 of 53 faceoffs).

I anticipate Tank being traded, so let's say Tambs would come back and fill this roster spot while Peca could man the 3rd line. Convinced yet?

shinkdew said...

Park is the fourth center. If they got Peca, they'd have to move Park to wing, which would mean no Tambellini.

Candyman said...

Yes, well that's if they don't trade Tank. But my hypo above indicated that Tank would be moved. So Park could move to wing AND Tamb could come back.