Wednesday, February 6, 2008

Starving


Is there anything that has been left unsaid of the New York Islanders this season? Here on Bleeding Blue and Orange, the regulars have broken down the Islanders in a number of ways. We have suggested line combinations, apportioned playing time, contemplated positional changes, and analyzed statistics. Many of our ideas have been utilized, while some of our most obvious notions have been continually ignored.

We have been advocating a youth movement—an injection of younger players into a lineup filled with aging veterans. The Flyers have been able to turn around a last place team of aging vets to a first place contender this season in merely one year. The Flyers accomplished such a daunting task by making a few key acquisitions via trade (Timonen, Hartnell, and Upshall), one key off-season signing (Brierre), and an injection of youth into their everyday lineup (Richards, Carter, Kukkonen, Coburn, and Downie). It begins to make you wonder is such a turnaround could ever be possible on Long Island.

I can tell you this much, such a turnaround will continue to remain impossible if the Islanders continue to employ a current philosophy of assembling as many “hard-workers” as Snow can find among the leftovers each summer, after all the “real” teams scoop up the “real” players.

The “new” NHL is a league based on speed and skill, and does not emphasize grit and toughness as much as it has in the past (and I’m not implying the Islanders are either gritty or tough anyway). But that’s how the current Isles were built—to outwork you, out-hit you, and make you feel the physical wrath for stepping onto the ice with the New York Islanders. The Isles had done a certain amount of that early on, but that kind of game plan has been missing for quite some time. That’s probably because teams can’t maintain that kind of intense play for an entire season—there comes a point where the overall skill of a team needs to be relied upon to overcome certain deficiencies.

There have been a handful of games this season where the Isles have outworked their opponents throughout an entire 3rd period, only to fall short by one goal. And it must become frustrating when that group of players can’t muster up a goal because that group doesn’t boast one legitimate offensive threat. My overall point is that a team can’t be so one-dimensional. It can’t rely solely on the blue collar aspects of the game, while neglecting to focus on the skills needed to compete in the NHL. It can’t solely rely on a motivating coach to squeeze something out of a team comprised of nothings.

The shortcomings of the Isles are clear and decipherable. Forwards Guerin, Comrie, Hunter, Fedotenko, Vasicek, Satan, and Hilbert have combined for something like 6 goals in their last 125 games (when you combine each of their recent goal droughts). Think about that. 6 goals in 125 games! Guerin, Comrie, & Satan should be 30 goal scorers (let’s say 0.33 GPG), while Hunter and Vasicek should be 20 goal scorers (let’s say 0.25 GPG) and Hilbert and Vasicek should be 15 goal men, considering their minutes (let’s say 0.20 GPG). This averages to 0.27 GPG for those players over the course of a season. They have currently combined for a 0.048 GPG average. So instead of getting a goal from each of those players about every 4 games, we are roughly getting a goal from each of them every 21 games.

Now I don’t mean to point out the obvious. The Isles are clearly starved for offense and that is something that even the novice fan would be able to ascertain. But Nolan could have tried something, anything. He could have used his “magic” to try to squeeze some goals out of the leading goal-scorer in the AHL (Tambellini), instead of bringing him up here and there and giving him less than 10 minutes of ice time. He could have even tried to work him into the Isles PK to create a backdoor approach to gain some offense (Tambellini leads the AHL in short-handed goals as well). He could have tried to work in a speedy and smart two-way center (Walter), instead of giving a boatload of minutes to Mike Silinger, who is so old that he can’t help but break down over the course of the season. He could have demoted Comrie and Hunter from the PP after they proved to the world that they simply could not produce on the PP. But then again, how do you build an engine out of a box full of nuts and bolts.

Here on B&O, I continue to propose that GM Garth Snow disassemble this group. This team as constructed has no future and no promise. Let the fire sale begin.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

Deconstruction will begin at the end of the season (if not sooner). Lots of one-year contracts signed before last season - which will lead to just as much turnover as last year.
Goal scoring was always going to be a challenge this year - having lost 120+ goals of offense with the folks that left at the end of '07.
Goal scorers are a premium, and I agree that Tambellini should be given as much ice time as necessary to prove that leading the AHL in scoring will translate to NHL scoring. Healthy scratches for Hilbert and others might light a fire under those players. It's "put up or shut up time" if the Isles are going to make the playoffs.

Nyisles82 said...

What I'm interested to see in the coming offseason is how Snolan plan on changing their approach for next year- IF they don't have a fire sale & gain prospects. Clearly overpaying FAs did not work this past offseason...or Snow was just really slow. If he was slow, then he better have learned a lesson, and change his approach. Otherwise, I don't see how bringing in another set of 1 year contract players a few days after FA starts will change anything from this year. And I don't see any other way- if we let these 1 year contracts go, we're an even less appealing team to play for.

That is why there HAS to be a sale in the next weeks. I don't care if the team loses the rest of their games this year. Get a good draft pick, and grab some more (2nd, 3rd, 4th...who cares) from others.

Anonymous said...

Snow is in a real bind here. All of the players he signed have been huge busts and should be cut loose or traded for whatever return he can get. But let's be realistic here. If you were an NHL GM would you take any of these slugs and give back a high round draft choice. OK, maybe if your name was Milbury, but other than that no one wants any of these guys. Anyone who thinks you are getting a first or second round pick is dreaming. Would you give a first round pick for any of these "players"? I didn't think so.


Snow should just cut bait and bring up the rest of the guys at Bridgeport and see how they can do over the last 30 games.

Comeau looks like a player. I was encouraged when I saw Neilsen and Tambellini on the ice together at the end of the game. They looked like they have some chemistry there.

Colliton just got recalled and so should Walter. Sit Hibert, Tank and Hunter if you have to.

There are no free agents comng here, so it's build from within or not at all. Snow must realize this by now.

The seaon is over. Let's start building for next year.....Bill

Nick Pezzotti said...

This is what i would do and i think there is a chance of this happening as well. The goners by the deadline or by the summer will be Satan Hunter Tank and Vasicek and Comrie. I would keep Guerin and the Defense and i would trade the above for either highly talented prospects or at least 1st round picks for some. With the remaining player i think they we should lock them up so that the team dosent have to totally change again like it does every year. Thats the main problem in which the Islanders expect success with wached up players overnight.

shinkdew said...

The new lines look pretty promising:

Park-Comrie-Guerin
Tambellini-Nielsen-Comeau
Bergenheim-Colliton-Fedotenko
Hilbert-Vasicek-Hunter

Anonymous said...

Shink, No, no they don't. You stil have an underwhelming first line, that would be at best, a second line on any other NHL team.

You still have Hilbert, Tank and Park all in the same line up.

I would rather see Walter up here and Hilbert or Tank sent to the press box.
I also can't fathom what goes on in Nolan's head when he sits both Berard and MAB and plays Johnson.
He has two PP specialists and sits them both.
Who plays the point?
He had Gervais as his most experienced point man last night.
Nolan may be a motivator, but he is a bonehead when it comes to fundemantal hockey strategy.
And that motivator thing is wearing out pretty quickly. He motivated the team to 6 straight losses averaging ONE goal per game.

This team needs to rid itself of the old guard and move on to the next phase. Cut loose the dead wood and start to mold the young players into a team. I don't believe that Nolan is the kind of coach that can accomplish this.

Nolan needs to go and be replaced by Bryan Trottier. Bryan never really got a fair shot with a lousey Ranger team. He brings history and pride back to the Island and would be a great teacher for the young players.

The bottom line is that Ted Nolan's time has passed. If he were fired, would any team touch him?
I don't think so. Ted is all about Ted. This is why he was out of hockey for 10 years. Buffalo knew exactly what it was doing when it dumped him....Bill

Anonymous said...

Well, Dionne Phaneuf is off the market. Signed a long term deal in Calgary.

As I predicted at he beginning of this year, all the really good free agents have been locked up by their respective teams.

Once again, Snow will be left with the picked over bones come summer.
Hossa is the only true "star" left and I have my doubts that he is really Alexi Yashin in disguise. He puts up big numbers in the regular season but disappeared in the playoffs. And he has Kovalchuk riding shotgun for him.

What free agent would you most like to see Snow go after?....Bill

Candyman said...

Bill, you might be on to something. This is not the type of team Nolan should be leading. Or rather, the type of team that the Isles need to employ is not the type of team that Nolan should be leading. The Isles need to employ a youth movement, and rid themselves of overpriced aging vets. While Nolan does a tremendous job maximizing their efforts (at times) he is not exactly known for his developmental skills. And Trottier would be a much better fit in this regard.

But will it happen? I'm not so sure considering Nolan's strong relationship with Wang. But Nolan does make bonehead on ice decisions. Sticking with Dunham last season, sticking with Comrie/Hunter this season, benching MAB & Berard simultaneously, and holding back the kids all point to a possible dismissal of Nolan.

But, Snottier is kind of catchy.

Nyisles82 said...

Well Bill, I have to tip my hat to you. You called it a few weeks ago...Washington would win the SE, and here they are!

Great call. I never would have thought that, especially after Nylander went down for the year- which is right around the time you made your prediction. Too bad we'll never get to the 6 spot....

Nyisles82 said...

So the isles are now ranked 16th in the ESPN PowerRankings, up from 14 after losing 6 straight. For the first time this season, I think thats too high. Now is about the time they should be sitting in the mid/high 20s.

What a farce..but I guess we all know that, right?

Candyman said...

Bill,

I followed that thread over in evil-land, and the points they all bring up will probably serve as Snang's rationalization for keeping Nolan around.

And I really think you might be on to something regarding Nolan. His goal doesn't seem to be winning the Cup. It might be simply maintaining his reputation for motivating terrible players.

I mean heaven forbid we bring up the kids and try to be an actual hockey team. We might even need some actual in-game hockey decision-making. Idon't think Nolan is the coach of the Isles future.

shinkdew said...

I don't know why you guys keep harping on Nolan not wanting to play kids. His teams in Buffalo were laden with 21-23 year olds. Could it be the kids we have are just not that good? He's had no problem developing Campoli and Gervais.

Candyman said...

On the contrary, I thought Nolan was holding Campoli back last season. It was only due to a rash of injuries that forced Nolan to finally bring Camps back to the team.

shinkdew said...

He wasn't holding him back, he was making him earn his spot on the team. Just like he's trying to do with Tambellini, but he doesn't seem to want it as badly as Comeau or Bergenehim.

Candyman said...

Tambellini is not overly skilled, yet has been working his rear off in the AHL and has the most goals in that league.

How would you articulate Tambellini's effort thus far?

Anonymous said...

Shinkdew, Absolutely correct. Nolan did have a bunch of youngsters in Buffalo. And they chose not to renew his contract and let him go. I wonder why?

My guess is that Darcy Reiger saw what the rest of us see and decided to go with Lind Ruff who certainly related to the younger players.

Otherwise give me a good reason why Buffalo allowed him to walk after winning the Coach of the Year award?.......Bill

shinkdew said...

Tambellini doesn't play with anywhere near the intensity of Bergenheim or Comeau. He doesn't go to the net hard or battle in the corners. Which is odd because that seems to be the way he's scored most of his goals in the AHL. I do think he looked better the other night than he has previously.

Bill - Nolan rejected Buffalo's one year deal, he thought it was a slap in the face. He had a bad habit of using the press to take shots at Muckler, who was then fired which made Nolan a GM killer. It also didn't help he publicly feuded with Hasek. After walking he let his pride get in the way by not accepting anything less than an NHL head coaching job. He finally came to his senses and took the job in Moncton. If he couldn't develop young players, why would a major junior team hire him to coach 14-20 year olds?

Candyman said...

Nyisles,

I know Bill and other hate when we react to power rankings, but sometimes I can't help myself. I recently sent the following email to TSN...

"See I was right. You guys had the Isles so low, that now this week you had nowhere to move them (26th this week down from 25 the previous week). The Isles have lost 5 in a row, have been playing their worst hockey of the year, but only fall one spot! Should have had them correctly depicted in the first place."

I do not anticipate a response.

Countdown to the trade deadline? Aka firsale...

Anonymous said...

Shink, The better question is "Why would a Jack Adams winner be forced to take a junior team job and not be offered an NHL position"?

A junior team will always take an ex NHL coach for his name value. It had nothing to do with his teaching the Moncton kids....Bill

Anonymous said...

Hey Ted Nolan said. "There's nothing like a good, youth-energizing line to maybe energize the rest of our team."

WOW!!!!! Now there's a guy with his finger on the pulse.....Bill

shinkdew said...

Because he had exactly three years of pro coaching experience, was labeled a GM killer and openly feuded with his franchise player. He was offered the Tampa Bay job and turned it down. He was in the running for the Calgary job and lost out to Sutter, who had more experience.

If that was the case, why isn't every junior team coached by an ex-NHL coach?

Anonymous said...

Shink I never heard that he was offered the Tampa job. What is your source for that?

Ex NHL coach's tend to reappear as NHL coaches, that's why.
Take a look at the coaching roster and see how many NHL coaches are on their second, third or more (Keenan) team. If they are not head coach's then the usually land a job as an assistant somewhere.

Most would have too much pride to coach a junior team after having coaced in the NHL. Nolan had no choice. He was never coming back to the NHL until a maverick like the Wangster hired him.

Another point.......What kind of coach attempts to usurp his GM and feuds with his star player?

The answer: An out of work coach....Bill

Candyman said...

He also lost the Isles job to Laviolette who had no NHL experience.

All NHL coaches don't go to coach juniors b/c they are stubborn and they feel it is beneath them, a la Ted Nolan.

Candyman said...

Bill,

The Tampa offer was true. That was well documented at the time, and it was even discussed on the special report on Ted Nolan earlier this season (I forget which network carried that).

He did not want to coach a last place team.

shinkdew said...

Bill - you apparently missed the point that Nolan didn't want to be an assistant in the NHL as he thought it was beneath him. Not many teams are going to take a chance on a guy with three years of pro coaching experience and a problem dealing with GMs and star players. After being out of the NHL for so long he no other choice than to coach in the juniors if he wanted any chance of coaching in the NHL again. If he had been successful in Moncton for a few years, another NHL team would have offered him a job. He was out of the NHL because of his own stubborness and ego.

Anonymous said...

Shink said
"He was out of the NHL because of his own stubborness and ego."

Seems to me he is making the same mistake again......Bill

shinkdew said...

How? I didn't realize the Islanders had a bunch of blue chip prospects toiling away in the minors.

Candyman said...

Hahahaha Witt was just out on the point on the PP. Hahahaha Nolan what an idiot.

Candyman said...

Another game another loss. Fireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee saleeeeeeeeeee........

Anonymous said...

Well, this was a tough loss. Even though Comrie scored two goals, I think that the Hunter, Vasicheck-Tank line played an excellent game.
This line needs to stay together for a while and see if they can continue to play the way they did tonight.

The kid line didn't play particularly well but you have to give them some time. Actually, I don't think that Comeau belongs on that line. I would rather see him with Comrie and Guerrin.
I think that Bergy would be better with Tambellini and Neilsen.

I also liked Colliton's game. I think that he play a smart heads up game. Remember that he madt the big club two years ago but got hurt and never came back.

Shink, they may not all be blue chip propects but they did inspire this team tonight. They brought some life to a dead team.

I like this line up. If the combination of Tambellini and Neilsen can click we could make a run. Tonight was agame that they did not deserve to lose. Tough break on a bad goal. It happens.
However this was the best game they have played since beating the Devils a month ago......Bill

shinkdew said...

Whose going to file the missing persons report for Jeff Tambellini? Does he know he's supposed to be making some kind of statement that says he belongs? Did he even touch the puck tonight? He might be the most over hyped prospect the Islanders have had. Colliton played half as much and made more of an impact.

Anonymous said...

Shink You appear to have something against Tambellini. Are you rooting for him not to succeed?
Did you expect a hat trick tonight?

How about Martinek letting his man get in front of him for a goal.
What about Witt having the puck ramp up his stick for the game winner?
DP didn't have an espically strong game again tonight.

Neilssen and Tambellini will need some time to adjust to NHL speed. Give them a few games before you pass judgement........Bill

shinkdew said...

Tambellini has played 58 games in the NHL, he should be adjusted to the speed. I'm not looking for a hat trick, a shot on goal would be nice. Maybe fight for the puck, they put him on the PP and he gives up the puck with pretty much no fight. Show me something that tells me he wants to play at this level. Colliton looks like he wants to be here, same thing with Comeau. Tambellini skates around like he's owed something.

Can you name one play Tambellini has made this season that made you think, wow this kid is going to be good? I can't.

Candyman said...

Bill,

It might have been the best game in a while, but it was still another loss. Good teams find ways to win games on a regular basis. Decent teams find ways to win every once in a while. This team never finds a way to win. We either get the lead and we are able to maintain it, or the game is over once we go down. Can you remember any game aside from the Al Arbour game where the Isles staged a 3rd period comeback?

Although tonight we actually tried a comeback, this team just isn't good. Things are snowballing again, and if the Isles can string together a few wins (like you said) then the confidence level of the players could soar. That being said, I still advocate a fire sale and let the kids play out the season. I think they have just as much of a chance of squeaking into the playoffs as the spare part crew.

Candyman said...

Shink and Bill,

Regarding Tambellini, 13 minutes still isn't that much, especially when the likes of Comrie etc are getting almost 20 minutes.

You're right in that he doesn't strike us as the type of forward who is going to score goals in bunches (even though he has at the AHL level). Give it time.

Anonymous said...

Justin You are preaching to the choir. I have been advocating for months the promotion of the kids.
They may not be Crosby's or Malkin's, but there looks like there could be some good servicable players here.

They may all be second and third liners but teams need these type of players, also. Not every one can be a star.
We all have hope the Okposo will be that player.

It's still better than the bunch than we have this season....Bill

Anonymous said...

Hey, they scored 3 TIMES!!! Things are looking up!!!
Who am I kidding....

Candyman said...

RA,

Slowly but surely wins the race, eh?

This is what Guerin had to say about the kid line after the game...

"I thought they played really good," Guerin said. "This isn't an easy league to have overnight success. Sometimes, it takes a couple games to get used to it, especially with all of them playing together except for Colliton. They gave us a lot of energy. They're a quick bunch of guys, and we need that."

I agree with an earlier post by Bill. Comeau had no business being on this line and he is better suited with Comrie and Guerin. Hilbert saw most of this "1st line" duty last night in the 3rd, which is a shame.

If we were going to proceed with this fire sale, what would our lines look like?

Guerin-Walter-Comeau
Tambellini-Nielson-Okposo
Hilbert-Silinger-Bergenheim
Park-Coliton-Brennan

I think this crew could just as well compete for a playoff spot. And we would be rid of and have netted prospects/picks for Comrie, Satan, Hunter, Fedotenko, and Vasicek. Thoughts?

Nyisles82 said...

I thought Comrie played one heck of a game last night. A fight??? Awesome. 2 goals? Even better.

I think from now on, if the team is finding they're coming out flat, Guerin should make one player who is in a scoring slump start a fight in the first 5 minutes of the game. I'd love to see Vasicek take anyone on, and then pump 3 goals from the hashmarks.

Tamby is starting to strike me as another Hilbert. Seeing him out there on the PK brings me back to the conversation all of us had toward the beginning of the year...is Hilbert worth it? He's a great PK'er, but can't score, despite lighting the lamp in the AHL. Oh, so frusterating...

I wonder who the team's psychologist is... Maybe they want to hire me? I'm a few months away from my Ph.D...

As bad as these string of losses are, I really worry about the next few weeks. I see this panning out in 2 ways...

1) The team stays below .500 till the trade deadline, and we have a fire sale (I don't see Snolang sticking with this squad if we're mired where we are right now). Downside: because of the firesale and youth on the team, we see Simon back on the ice to provide "leadership" and a "physical presence". Even worse, he starts playing the PP because he might score.

2) We gain confidence, and play .750 hockey, bringing us right back into the hunt for the playoffs. We don't sell, and even consider becoming buyers. Then, we miss, or barely make the playoffs, and lose to Montreal or Ottawa. And watch everyone walk for nothing (e.g. Simon, Tank, Comrie, etc etc). Worst of all, we see Simon because Snolang love the guy and think he can provide some scoring and physical presence. Instead, he'll be last years' Dunham- an obvious weak point that everyone but the decision makers see.


Oh, why do I love this team so much? Sometimes the torture seems too much, yet I still find myself watching the dang TV every game...

Candyman said...

Touche to all of the above.

Anonymous said...

We love this team because we enjoy suffering, apparently. I think the only marketable asset is Comrie. With the linemates he has right now, he's a #2 center, plain and simple. What this team needs is a finisher. And those don't grow in the AHL, I'm afraid.

Anonymous said...

I don't want Simon back under any circumstances. He is washed up and would just be taking a roster spot for a younger player (Colliton).

Simon is the past. Let's move on to the future and start to build a solid team here.

Seeing all those kids in the line up last night really gave me hope for the future. Add Okposo to the mix and we may have th beginnings of something finally.

One note of caution. It is not worth bringing Okposo up until the last nine games of the year. If he plays more than 9 games his contract kicks in for the full year.
We cannot afford that. Let him stay down in Bridgeport and develop. Why waste a full year of his ties to the Island for the last 25 or so games.....Bill

Candyman said...

If Simon ever steps on the ice in an Isles uniform again, Isles fans should boycott the team. It would be an embarassment to a once proud franchise to give this guy a 438827th chance.


Another game, another loss. Hey did I write that the other day? Hmmmm feels like deja vu.

Nolan can say w/e he wants, his team cannot find a way to win. Looks like I might get my wish after all. FIRE SALE!

Nyisles82 said...

7 in a row. I just hear Chris Berman somewhere saying his tiiiiiick tick tick tick tick tick on the Isle's season.

Which is fine! All around the 'net, Isles fans are quiet. No one has anything else to say. The team has made a play with the cards it was dealt (own fault notwithstanding..) and came up short. Lets hope Snolang (Snow+Nolan+Wang) see the writing on the wall, and see what can be built in the offseason through youth. Go all out- we did last year with Smyth, so the guts are there. Sell whatever you can, and keep the young and promising.

Make one final real commitment to rebuild before the SMG NVMC contract runs out, and see if we can't get this team to rebuild the fan base it enjoyed 25 years ago. Its risky, but so is another 10 years of mediocre hockey.

Candyman said...

From Gallof's blog...

"Speaking of the future. Those who worried about about Kyle Okposo playing without the other effective players at Bridgeport as Nielson, Tambellini and Comeau all continue to play on LI, should relax. Okposo had two goals and an assist this weekend, and is Okposo is 5-9-14 in 14 games. He and new linemates, Sean Bentivoglio and Ben Walter have clicked. "

Nyisles82 said...

Chirp...chirp...chirp...

I understand that no fan has anything left to say at this point, but I'm beginning to feel a bit confused why we're not hearing ANYTHING from the organization. Botta's blog has the same unrelated post they had up 2 weeks ago. Witt's blog has a posting about pants. Logan's post has an article basically defining "water under the bridge"- Sean Hill's suspension last season. The Isles website is talking about KO's big weekend.

What about the team on the ice? What is the plan? I read somewhere Comrie is being shopped. Thoughts? I'm all for it...he's our best asset this season, and probably can return a high 2nd rounder...or maybe even a 1st if paired with Sillinger (hah- I wish!)

What are people's thoughts on the lack of activity so far? Does this hurt or help the sellers?

I'd argue the fact we haven't had any trades yet sets the stage for an imminent rush at the deadline...which will help the Isles. Once one contender makes a move (e.g. Montreal picking up Hossa), we'll see other competitors become nervous and make (hopefully) desperate moves- similar to what we saw at the start of FA this year. The longer it stays quiet, the more anxious GMs around the league will get, and the more the pressure they feel the more likely they are to make desperate short-term moves...like picking up Sillinger, Comrie, Hunter, Vasicek, Tank...all for first rounders :)

Candyman said...

Nyisles,

I agree with you regarding Comrie. I think he will fetch a first rounder, being that he can be easily slotted in as a team's second line center--I'm not sure there will be another comparable center available in the NHL. In addition, Comrie had a very good run with Ottawa last season, which should further drive up his price.

Last season, Smyth fetched a 1st rounder and 2 former 1st rounders. I don't think Smyth is all that good of a player--never had more than about 60 points, etc. very much like Comrie.

I am pretty confident Comrie and Satan can get 1st rounders. Look for Detroit to offer it up for Satan, while I think an Eastern conference team is likely to pay the price for Comrie. (Could Ottawa go there again?)

If Zednick got a 2nd rounder last year, I'm pretty sure Fedotenko could net the same. (Their value is in their proven playoff success).

Hunter is only a few years removed from a rookie-of-the-year campaign, and he should net a 2nd rounder as well.

Vasicek could get a 3rd rounder, perhaps.

If that were all to play out, think about what the Isles would have this season:

3 first round picks
3 second round picks
2 third round picks

That would be more than enough to restock the dwindling Isles' farm system.

Nyisles82 said...

Looking at that, I can't fathom how Snowlang would NOT want to do this.

I'd keep Vasicek- he's real young still! He can be resigned for 2, 3, or 4 years at a bargain...and might just turn the corner. The risk of keeping him is low (monetarily), and the opportunity cost of parting with him for a 3rd rounder is great. Over the course of his career, he's going to be a better player than the average 3rd round draft pick, no?

Other players mentioned are worth the picks. Comrie for sure. Satan for sure. Tank probably. With this years' draft there is a ton of depth, and if we're able to snag a top prospect- they'll always be better than Comrie/Satan for the current state of this team.

I'd hate to see Hunter become the next Bertuzzi....but I'd part with him for a strong pick. Some team out there needs "toughness", and may think that a top 10 hitter will bring that to their ice. Jury is still out there...

shinkdew said...

I think Forsberg is holding everything up. Once he makes up his mind about what he's going to do and where, deals will start to happen.

I think you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment. Comrie may get a 1st round pick, but that's about it. Satan is one rut away from season ending surgery, I doubt any team will give up a 1st round pick for him. He may not even be able to pass a physical. I'd rather see the Islanders get back prospects. Draft picks aren't going to help for another 2-3 years.

Candyman said...

Shindew,

The difference between getting prospects and getting draft picks is that this year is supposedly one of the best drafting years in recent memory.

Teams will be desperate as the deadline approaches. There will not be too many sellers (as most teams are still in the hunt of things) and that could mean the value of the Isles' UFAs might increase.

Let the bidding war begin.

shinkdew said...

Carolina traded Cory Stillman and Mike Commodore to Ottawa for Patrick Eaves and Joe Corvo.

J Picker said...

It's been a while since my last post simply due to the fact that since Campoli went down, this team has been a free fall(1-7-2). While I can't say that this record is based solely off of Campoli getting hurt but it sure has affected our blue line in that both steady freddy and aj have seen an increase of minutes. While they have done a pretty solid job they still are just servicable dmen.

As far as a fire sale goes, I am fully behind it. Between the play thus far of our younger players to this point, I would love see Walter and one or two others move up from the bridge as well as let Okposo get his feet wet for the last 5 games or so. Remember he can play up to 9 games without it causing us to use a year of his contract. On top of that trading players like Ruslan, Comrie, Satan and Hunter would net us a nice package of picks to have for this upcoming deep draft in June. I would try and stay away from trading the dmen as other then ricky they have been the biggest plus of the season.

I can already hear it...

With the first pick in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, the New York Islanders select...

Andyman Norway said...

I actually think Snow should extend Comries contract. He's the only skilled playmaker (well, not compared to Crosby, but still..) on the Isles and won't be easy to replace with a thin UFA market. The Isles management need to find the balance between fire sale and 9th place in the Eastern Conference. Shipping away Comrie, Satan, Fedotenko and Hunter at the trade deadline will destroy the offensive core of the team, and it takes a lot more than a summer to rebuild that.
Think about it. Comrie is still young, he's proven some skills and I doubt that the average 27th pick of the 2008 draft will ever reach his level (if say Ottawa traded for him).

I think Comrie has suffered from the disappointing season of players like Fedotenko, Satan and Hunter. He draws all the attention from opposing teams. Keep the Comrie-Guerin combination over the summer, trade Satan (will most likely pull a 1st-rounder based on his reputation), try to fish a top six-forward from the UFA pool and fill the roster with Tambellini, Okposo and Nielsen next season. My advice.

Candyman said...

Andyman,

Good points. I would just like to point out that it's still possible to get the best of both worlds--the Isles could trade Comrie for a 1st rounder and still resign him over the summer.

shinkdew said...

Justin - that's what I would do too. I would make it clear to Comrie that we want him as part of the core, but it is best for the future of the team to trade him to get additional prospects/picks. And that if he's willing to help us, we will help him come July. Maybe even throw out a potential contract he could expect in July. I probably just broke half of the rules in the CBA, but you get the point.

Hunter and the rest of the UFA's can pound pavement. Hunter doesn't contribute anything but two hits a game. I'm sure we could find somebody making $500k to do the same thing. I might think about resigning Vasicek as insurance in case Walter, Neilsen or Colliton can't cut it next year.

Candyman said...

Finally it seems everyone has come around on parting ways with Hunter, as I had been stressing since the first few weeks of the season.

Everything Shink said is dead on. It's not like Hunter doesn't give it his all...he's just too slow.

Anonymous said...

Well I may be the lone voice of dissent, but I think that Hunter will be resigned. Just my feeling.

Nice shot by Tambellini. Should quiet a few around here. He is beginning to feel his game and is looking more confortable out there.
Bergy is also looking much better.

In fact, the overall speed of the Islanders has improved tremendously
in the last few games.

I like this line up.

Prediction: Comrie will not be traded and will resign for 3 or 4 years.
Hunter will resign.
Satan will be traded and then resign over the summer.
Fedetanko will be traded and goodbye to you.

How bad is Witt hurt?.....Bill